Church Discipline


I attended a conference on Friday evening and all day on Saturday. It was a blessing to be in fellowship with like-minded believers from California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and Idaho who understand the significance of these prophecies, reject replacement theology, and love and pray for Israel.

This came at a time when just last week, the church we attend, threatened my husband with church discipline because he dared to share a documentary video about the October 7, rape survivors. 

There was no "sin." No one talked to him in private. 

The video came with warnings and my husband also pointed out that discretion was needed. However two of the staffers went ahead and clicked on the video - was upset and went directly to the pastor to complain. The pastor called my husband into his office and told him if he did not stop sending out news about the Israel/Hamas war and October 7th - he would be subject to Church discipline.

What is this? The Puritan Church? 

Churches wonder why many Christians don't even want to attend a Church and prefer to watch it on TV. 

This has been incredibly hurtful to us. I admit, I always had one foot in and one foot out of the church. I just wasn't sold out like my husband was. I noticed attitudes about Israel - and the Jewish people. Sometimes it is not what they say but what they don't say. It reveals a lot. 

When I first become a believer back in the late 1980's - I got involved with Jews for Jesus in San Francisco. I learned a lot. Then I met my husband and together before we moved up here, attended a Messianic congregation in San Francisco. Along with a few others, Margie and her husband, we tried to start a messianic congregation here - to no avail. We did have a small group that met at our house on Shabbat and we observed the Biblical feasts. 

Anyway, I hesitated to even share this here - then again, it's part of what is going on From My House. 

We will be leaving this church but not until some restoration has been done. We want to leave in a Christ-like way. My husband is to meet with the Pastor tomorrow. Then we will decide when to part ways - there are ministries to resign from etc. 

Then the fun part - trying to find a church that is pro-Israel - Did you know, that most churches do not even list the significance of Israel on their statements of Faith? That should tell you something. 



Or if you want to know more,  you can email me 
snavemom@gmail.com. feel free. 

 




29 comments:

  1. I find that amazing about the discipline for the video. Not my kind of church. I hope you will be lead to the church that will feed you and allow you to serve and minister the way the Lord shows you.
    We dare not harm the Apple of God's Eye.
    Sue

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    1. Thanks Sue. Not a church I want to attend either. We thought since they have an impressive list of missions they support; including one in Israel that we were on the same page. Soon after 10/7 there were things said on the pulpit that didn’t set well.

      And yes! We dare not harm the apple of God’s Eye. He has not abandoned Israel and the church has not replaced Israel!

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  2. Oh I forgot to ask if you knew Joel Rickert? He was active and very involved in the SF Jews for Jesus. He's retired now.
    We used to go to Bethel Temple in the Mission district of SF..then the name of the church was changed to Bethel Christian Church and we supported JFJ since the church was founded.
    Sue

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    1. No the name doesn’t ring a bell. We used to attend B’nai Brit HaMachiach with Rabbi David Fleischer in SanFrancisco.

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    2. The church we attended was Bethel Christian Church and had NO affiliation with Bethel-Redding ever.
      Sue

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  3. I hope your search for a new spiritual home is successful.

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  4. I would not want to be part of that church, it doesn't sound like what I expect from a church but then so many churches don't which may be why I do not go to church, I believe and I pray and I do not need to be in a church to do either.

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    1. Sometimes it takes being in a church for a year or two before you start to see the cracks. My husband was totally caught off guard with this. I on the other hand, saw and heard things so it all makes sense. They are two faced- they “say” one thing and do another! Yep, not a church I want to be a part of for sure.

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  5. Goodness! Sorry about the bruhaha over the video. It hurts inside when their are disagreements like this. That does seem a bit excessive to say that to your Hubby. I'm with you in that evidently the Church leadership is siding with the terrorists and it affected their conscience. Hmmm ... they'd better get their Bibles out and re-read who our Saviour is if they do indeed believe in Him. Just sayin'. Sorry this happened. Prayers for healing all around, that their eyes will be opened to the truth, and y'all can find a loving Church home soon. ((Hugs)) for you both. 💙

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    1. Yes, it does hurt; mostly my husband who thought he had found "his tribe"
      I was never gung ho with this church. Thank God I had my two groups.
      Yes, restoration is always preferable, but as for us staying, that isn't going to happen. I no longer respect or trust them. I may forgive them, but I no longer want to stick around for those "changes."

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  6. Numerous mainstream churches have a history of antisemitism. This includes Catholicism and Lutheranism, among others. Martin Luther, in his later years, wrote derogatory statements about the Jews due to his religious arrogance. I would not attend any church that still reveres him. In the United States, the "Protocols of the Elders," a book that some of our great-grandparents might have believed to be true, was associated with horrific lies about the Jewish people. Many traditional churches embraced these unfounded accusations. It is well-known that Hitler cited Luther to justify his actions, and people followed his lead. Human nature has not changed. Antisemitism continues to be a significant issue. Matthew 10:16 "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye harmless as doves. therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Shalom.

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    1. I just heard of that book at the conference I attended. And about Henry Ford the car maker being a huge anti-Semite with a lot of influence. I believe anti-Semitism is passed down through generations, and it takes a sincere desire to unlearn the lies they may have heard. Sad.

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  7. I am so sorry for all of this! And I know it is hard to change to a different church.

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  8. I'm sorry for your church issues. We are also having issues but on the other end of things. Someone on our elder board decided that he believes in the replacement theory and doesn't want to hear about Israel. He also believes that Christ has returned and things are now getting better here on earth. What? That is far from what our church believes! So he was removed from the board, but now is stirring up all kinds of trouble, telling people things that aren't true about the men on the board (one of whom is my husband). It's so sad and hurtful.
    I hope you can find a church that is biblically sound to attend.

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    1. Wow, that's unfortunate. Churches are facing challenges these days from many fronts and some are from within. It has always been difficult to find a church that follows biblical principles in Redding, largely due to the influence of Bill Johnson, the new apostolic reformation, and the Bethel-Redding Church. Their false teachings have significantly impacted many churches in the area.
      I hope things resolve favorably and that the man who seems a bit off-kilter leaves peacefully.

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  9. In the last days there will be many false prophets and people who are not true to Christ as they may profess to be. It is sad when these things happen, but good to find out while you are able to do something about it. I will be praying for you and your hubby as you walk through these turbulent waters. May God direct your steps and help you to find a place of worship that understands Scripture and the place of Israel in God's kingdom. There is so much division in churches today. Why? Because Christ is coming back soon, and He will be separating the sheep from the goats...my prayer is to stay firmly in the flock with the sheep. May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear the truth and be able act accordingly. Amen! Praying!

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    1. Thank you for that. You are right. I’ve never seen anything like this. I just hope it doesn’t take forever to find a new church.
      It’s sad but at least we found out their true colors.

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  10. Now that was totally uncalled for by the pastor. People were warned. I hope you find a church that is more accepting and loving. One must always do what their morals and understanding say to do. Hugs to both of you.

    God bless.

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    1. Yes it was - he was totally out of line.

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  11. I'm so sorry this has happened. It's absolutely disgusting. I hope you find another church who stands with your beliefs and more in tune with the Bible. It took us a while to find a church as well. We keep Israel in our prayers at church every Sunday. God bless you both.

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    1. We won’t rush it. It might be fun to visit some churches. But it does start to get discouraging when you can’t find the right one. It will happen. We just have to be patient

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  12. Yep, that would definitely be it for me! Good luck finding a new church. I'm sure there is the right one out there for you.

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  13. Dearest Debby,
    It oftentimes is just some of the people within the Church, even including some pastors. They are only after personal power to control others!
    It has not been Pieter's passing that grieved me most but two Churches.
    One is being run by some hypocrites and the pastor is just leaning onto them—trusting them. The Church I've been singing for years in their chancel choir also has some very evil, power–abusing board members and an insecure pastor.
    Their victims are those that stand firm, believe and LIVE their religion and that's why they get attacked viciously.
    At one time I feared that Pieter's last will would not get respected but it worked out 'kind of'. Well, still the evil powers thwarted as much as they could by having an inferior person do the video taping and the handling of microphones for live streaming. Especially for our worldwide connections this was so valuable.
    But no, they screwed up big time. Either no image, no sound or BOTH! The microphone did not get turned on when the organist played and chanted so that is inaudible. A soprano sang Pieter's favorite song but her singing the first verse was not audible... And on and on. Also no image of the Church—only the very front pews constantly.
    The left side of the Church never was captured, neither me with family.
    Like you wrote, you can forgive them but I've decided to never ever go back to singing in their chancel choir as I felt so hurt and let down and also I grief for the ones that got punished rudely by said board.
    Who do they think they are?! One day they will have to stand before their Final Judged and have some explaining to do!
    From July 1st on I'll probably commute with some other hurt Church members to a more steady, respectful and serious Church.
    May God have mercy on all those that don't stand with the Holy Land's people!
    Hugs,
    Mariette

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    1. Oh I’m so sorry to hear this, Mariette. I’m hearing a few stories of churches who have overstepped their authority. A very sad time for God’s churches.

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